Advocare: What they don't want you to know!

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What you need to know about Advocare.

There is much to be said about any company that follows the MLM model. The truth behind it all is that any company utilizing MLM techniques is, at its core, unethical. Advocare is one such company. Even a cursory internet search on the subject of MLM will provide droves of useful info on the industry including many, many lawsuits, MLM business shut down because of unlawful practices, testimony after testimony of people who have lost friends, family, savings and now live in financial ruin. Can the individual be blamed for their failures? Sure they can. But no matter how great a person is in any business endeavor, MLM is a losing proposition. So much so that it is in fact easier to strike it rich by gambling in Las Vegas than it is to earn a reasonable living via MLM.

If you do a quick Google search, your results will contain page after page of "Advocare branded" web pages. Many of these web sites are directly set up by Advocare while many more are in place through Advocare "distributors"; people trying desperately to make a few bucks by selling their products. If you know anything about internet marketing, you know that "flooding" search results is an oft used tactic in an attempt to squeeze out traffic to competitors web sites. Advocare seems to have this area covered. So, one needs to dig a little deeper.

Before I go any further into Adovcare, I want to make it clear that not everyone involved with the company is bad or evil. In fact, the exact opposite is true. This fact is one of the reasons why pyramid operations are successful; they prey on good people. They prey on people who are honest, passionate and intelligent. Why and how do these people get involved with schemes like this? Because the promise of health, wealth and good fortune, coupled with a well crafted sales pitch, is difficult for the best of us to turn away from. After all, they make it sound so easy!

Medical Advisory Board

Much of Advocares sales pitch involves their "Medical and Science Advisory Board" with the "over 200 years of experience" contained within. Below is a list of facts about the members of their board.

Dr. Kenneth W. Goldberg, MD

Dr. Goldberg lives and works in Utah and Texas. His specialty and practice is urology. Of all of the credentials and professional accomplishments he has obtained, there is no professional mention of Advocare on his personal web resume. Dr. Goldberg also lends is name and credibility to another supplement company, "Purely 4 Heath".

Dr. Goldberg has written many articles and one of which can be found on the Advocare web site. In this article, Dr. Goldberg espouses about the benefits of eating right utilizing a proper diet consisting of whole, natural and un-processed foods. Not once did the doctor recommend the use of supplements in his article:

"The ADA points out that making big improvements in our eating habits can be much simpler and less painful than most of us imagine. Try following these simple guidelines:

Pick foods with a label that says "reduced fat" or "low fat." Revised ADA guidelines suggest that you keep fat to less than 25 to 30 percent of calories, and picking such foods will help.

Try herbs such as garlic, oregano, chives, paprika, and pepper before adding salt.

Five servings of fruits and vegetables per day will take care of your need for vitamins and minerals.

Two servings per day of lean meat, fish, or poultry will take care of your need for protein. One serving is about the size of a pack of cards.

Six to eleven servings of grain takes care of carbohydrates. One slice of bread is one serving.

Eat your five servings of fruits and vegetables, choose whole wheat bread, and have a bowl of bran cereal for breakfast, and you should be on track for fiber."

http://supplementalscience.wordpress.com/2007/04/12/ready-nutrition-tips-for-men-dr-ken-goldberg

Dr. Carl I. Keen, Ph.D

http://www.rsoa.org/fas-2008KeenBio.pdf

http://nutrition.ucdavis.edu/labs/keen/

Dr. Keen Lives and works in California. Again, in the listing of his professional accomplishments and affiliations, there is no professional mention of Advocare. But Dr. Keen is listed on the board of Pistachio Health and also an Advocare competitor, Herbalife.

http://www.pistachiohealth.com/consumer/expert/keen-carl-l

http://www.herbalifenutritioninstitute.com/en/about-hni/board.aspx

William J. Kraemer, Ph.D.

http://www.education.uconn.edu/directory/details.cfm?id=44

Dr. Kraemer Lives and works in Connecticut. He owns and runs a lab producing and testing supplements, but yet again, no professional mention of Advocare. Since his lab is funded by grants, it becomes easy to see how and why he would want to get involved with companies like Advocare. By either subsidizing his labs research, or by direct payment, Dr. Kraemer is able to earn a living and keep his employees employed. Dr. Kraemer is also on the board for other supplement companies, Bommarito Performance Systems and Imagenetix. Again, these are competitors to Advocare.

http://www.bommaritoperformance.com/about/advisory_board.php

http://www.imagenetix.net/joining-the-imagenetix-scientific-and-medical-advisory-board-are-robert-b-zurier-m-d-and-william-j-kraemer-ph-d/

Stanley J. Dudrick, M.D.

http://www.surgery.uthscsa.edu/grandrounds/dudrick-bio.pdf

Dr. Dudrick lives and works in Connecticut. No professional mention of Advocare in any of his listed credentials. He also developed, markets and sells his own supplements - "myogence" which is Advocares "Catalyst". http://www.myogence.com/dudrick.html

Judith Smith, Pharm.D.

http://faculty.mdanderson.org/Judith_Smith/Default.asp?SNID=985207420

Lives and works in Texas. No professional mention of Advocare.

http://utmext01a.mdacc.tmc.edu/dept/pub/resrepv2.nsf/all+departments/B4FC1F8DA873CB29862576BE006CD4D0 - nothing about Advocare, nutrition or supplements.

Sidney Stohs, Ph.D

Dr. Stohs is the former Advocare Seinor Vice President of R&D. He is also a retired Dean. Outside of Advocare supplement sales, I could find very little info. on his professional career. What I did find is that he is also involved with "Purely 4 Heath". and is cited in reports supporting hydroxycut in 2010 with Dr. Keen.

http://www.interhealthusa.com/repository/files/HCA%20Herbalgram%20review.pdf

Muscle Tech Inc., providers of Hydroxycut, cites, "a study done showing that people taking G. Cambodia with a diet of 2,000 calories a day and 30 minutes of exercise five days a week lost an average of ten pounds in eight weeks" (Dawns 2003). Yet, another study done by the "Journal of the American Medical Association found no difference in weight loss between people taking G. cambogia and those taking a placebo" (Dawns 2003).

Hydroxycut was pulled from the market by the FDA in 2009 –

Dr. Stohs and Dr. Keen both, sang the merits of Hydroxycut and the product they once endorsed has been pulled form the market.

http://www.interhealthusa.com/repository/files/HCA%20Herbalgram%20review.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm152152.htm

Dr. Stohs is on the board for CBNS, advocating the use of certified nutritionists. - http://cbns.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Complete-CBNS-Newsletter-July-12-2400-dpi.pdf

There is a reason why we have "Certified Nutritionists". It's for the same reasons why we trust our dentists, doctors, lawyers, plumbers etc. to help us; because there are many areas where expert advice is needed and warranted. Nutrition is one of those areas. You wouldn't trust your mechanic to perform a root canal, so why trust a sales person for nutritional advice?

Robert Hackman, Ph.D

http://nutrition.ucdavis.edu/faculty/hackman/

Dr. Hackman lives and works in California. He has been with Advocare since its inception and partnered with Rangis (the founder of Advocare). He can be seen here stressing the benefit of healthy eating with whole, fresh foods.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1317257/pdf/jathtrain00035-0072.pdf

What does all of this say about Advocares Medical Advisory Board? It shows that many of these doctors do not specialize in formulating dietary supplements. Those that do work directly in creating nutritional products do so with a very personal financial bias. If anything, they espouse the benefits of eating healthy, whole foods. It shows that they are not "on staff" and, for the most part, live in other states pursuing other endeavors.

Their roll in Advocare is small, monetarily motivated, and while the research they do may be a foundation for some of Advocares products, they have little to do with their formulation. If any of these individuals fully believe in Advocare, then they would publish it along with all of the other boards and projects they list.

One of the tactics almost every MLM utilizes is "in home" marketing; parties, mixers, presentations etc.

I'll dive right in here with some notes from an Advocare "mixer" I attended. Since the presentations given in these mixers are done by many different people across the country, the information I received may be different from what you have heard.

Friday Night Mixer Notes

During the presentation I was surprised by how much they favored supplementation over a proper, healthy diet with one of the most disturbing bits of info. being the use of Advocare muscle gainer mixed into a baby's formula.

None of the Advocare products are made for children under 4 years old. Giving ANY supplement to children under 12 should only be done when directed by a physician. A child's body is different than an adults and many of the ingredients in food supplements are untested. We have no idea what they might to do our children. I would never gamble with my child's health like that.

A few years ago, Advocare's product "KickStart Spark" was targeted to children age 4-11. It contained 60 mg of caffeine and came under severe scrutiny from pediatricians for the high dosage of this stimulant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/25/sports/othersports/25drink.html?pagewanted=all

By giving food supplements to children we are teaching them dangerously poor eating habits; taking pills and powders over "real" food.

Caffeine was even touted as an alternative to prescription drugs for children with ADD/ADHD. While there is some evidence that this can work, it should be only administered as directed by a physician. Not by companies like Advocare that exist to sell products. There are far too many dangers in medicating our children with anything not directly prescribed by the child's personal physician.

"No high school athlete or parent should purchase supplements like protein, creatine or energy drinks without speaking to a doctor or nutritionist. Vitamin supplements are not needed for the vast majority of the U.S. population and specific deficiencies are best diagnosed and treated by a doctor". http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/before-you-purchase-supplements-you-need-to-educate-yourself-on-the-possible-dangers-

Catalyst - In the meeting, it was clearly stated that "Catalyst strips the body of fat." The example used was a wrestling team in Texas. Fact: there is no known product/substance known to man that has the ability to safely perform the function of removing fat from the human body. If there was, it'd be akin to finding the "fountain of youth".

The only active ingredients in Catalyst are taurine and betaine but neither of them are in large enough doses to really have any effect. Betain is used primarily to help digestion by increasing hydrochloric acid. Taurine studies using 2 -3 thousand mg per kilogram of body weight MAY help promote fat loss in the obese.

Herbal Detox – This was pushed as the "first step" and was pushed fairly hard using some pretty big claims. The fact is that studies done to show the effectiveness of detox diets have never shown anything to support the claims made by the proponents. Normally functioning kidneys and liver readily remove toxins from the body. Some detox diets can even be dangerous.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/detox-diets/AN01334

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2643/does-fasting-rid-the-body-of-toxins

In fact, recent studies show that fasting (which goes along with detox) is counterproductive to weight loss.

http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2011/06/new-study-why-beginning-your-diet-with-a-fast-or-%E2%80%9Ccleansing-day%E2%80%9D-is-a-bad-idea/

Bottom line is that fasting or "cleansing" is something you should certainly avoid.

Probiotics - While not bad, aren't necessarily needed to be supplemented. A proper diet will give you all that you need.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/probiotics/AN00389

NFL,NHL, MLB etc - Outrageous claims were made about Advocare being the only supplements allowed in pro locker rooms. All supplements used by pro athletes are screened and cleared by NSF International. Only three companies are allowed and Advocare is not one of them.

Texans "clean sweep" http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/10/texans-institute-clean-sweep-on-locker-room-supplements/1

http://www.nsf.org/index.asp

The only supplement company approved for use in major league sports is EAS.

Certified for Sport - EAS and Redbull have been tested, accepted and listed. Advocare is not.

http://www.nsfsport.com/listings/certified_products.asp

The danger of energy drinks - http://www.nsf.org/business/athletic_banned_substances/energy_drinks.pdf

"I don't see how young people in any way can benefit from these kinds of drinks," says Bruce Goldberger, a professor at the University of Florida College of Medicine who has studied energy drinks for several years. "The risks are much greater than any benefit that can be derived from their use."

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/08/17/growth-of-energy-drinks-speeds-debate-on-their-dangers/

Apples have lost 50% of their nutrition - This is a grossly exaggerated claim. The study, done in the U.K., was completed 20 years ago, using apples grown under very different conditions than found here in the U.S. No peer reviewed studies, or testing since, has been done/found. Nor have studies been done documenting changes in farming and the nutritional content of apples since. Furthermore, the study focused on mineral depletion and not vitamin/nutritional content. The presenter at the mixer I attended used the "nutritional deficiencies" of our foods quite often so that the benefits of using Advocare products could be made.

http://www.californiaearthminerals.com/media/mineral-depletion-study.pdf

The use of Doctors/Nutritionist - The only people qualified to determine an individuals nutritional needs/deficiencies are certified/degreed professionals who can only make recommendations/diagnosis after invasive testing ie; blood and urine testing.

Published Studies - There are no published studies on the effectiveness AdvoCare products. Even though the company was established in 1993, no studies have been done to testify to its effectiveness in reducing weight loss or improving athletic performance. They rely completely on personal testimony which is as reliable as, "My neighbors' uncles' cousin saw a UFO, so UFO's MUST be real!"

"THE USE OF NUTRITIONAL OR DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS IS COMPLETELY AT THE ATHLETE'S OWN RISK. EVEN IF THE SUPPLEMENTS ARE "APPROVED" OR "VERIFIED".

"Bottom Line: USADA warns against taking any dietary or nutritional supplements. Athletes who take dietary or nutritional supplements, even if "approved" or "verified," do so at their own risk."

http://www.texasarchery.org/Documents/USADA/DietarySupplements.pdf

Pre-digested protein – An aspect of what makes Advocare products "the best" was pointed out in regards to the proteins they used. Pre-digested, or hydrolyzed, is often used with lesser quality protein sources, such as soy. Protein is sensitive to heat and acid which is how a lot of companies "Hydrolize" their products. The preferred method is to use enzymes. But again, if a high quality protein is used, such as whey, pre-digestion in unnecessary. The fact that Advocare claims to be the "best", but then points out that their products are hydrolyzed is incredibly contradictory. This is just another example of the sales tactics they employ to win people over.

Endorsements

Professional and celebrity endorsements are used quite heavily as a way to gain trust. I have heard many times that these sponsors are not paid and support Advocare because of the great products they make. While I did not dig into the endorsement side of Advocare, I did stumble upon the contradiction of the claim, "unpaid endorsers" with one of their most notable endorser, Drew Brees.

While Advocare may not pay Drew Brees directly, they supply him and his family with all of the product they want. Advocare is also a contributor to the "Drew Brees Foundation. The biggest contradiction to the "unpaid endorser" claim can be found on Drew Brees personal website. Here he lists all of the financial sponsors who support him. Advocare is on that list.

Drew Brees

http://www.advocare.com/company/spokesperson.aspx

"AdvoCare supports the Drew Brees Foundation, started by Drew and his wife Brittany and participated in the "The Amazing Race" event in New Orleans presented by the foundation."

Drew Brees paid to endorse Advocare, among others; http://www.drewbrees.com/disclaimer http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2010/12/23/drew-brees-toes-ftcs-line-on-twitter-endorsements/

About the company itself

AdvoCare International, L.P. is a nutrition, weight-loss and skin-care company founded by Charles Ragus. Ragus, joining Herbalife in 1983, become one of the company's top distributors. In 1989, he founded a company called Omnitron. Wade v Omnitrition became a landmark case in the legalities of running a MLN. This lawsuit shut down Omnitrition. Ragus came back in 1993 and created AdvoCare International.

Advocare employs around 247 people in the United States and claimed net sales of fewer than 100 million in 2009. Its corporate headquarters are in Carrollton, TX.

The company distributes its products in the United States through a network of approximately 50,000 independent distributors, some of whom earn profit on product sales and additional commission from a multi-level marketing (MLM) compensation structure. The company slogan is, "We Build Champions."

Advocare had 5 presidents/managers from 2001 - 2007

Charles Ragus died on June 1, 2001 at the age 58.

Todd Cash - fired February 2005

Lance Wimmer fired after 4 months

Bob Ulrich 2005 - May 2007

In May 2007, Richard H. Wright joined AdvoCare as President and CEO.

AdvoCare is an active member of the Direct Selling Association (DSA). The company was a DSA Award recipient in 2002 for the DebtBuster® System in 2008 for the AdvoBus program, and was a participant in the 2010 DSA Code of Ethics Communication Initiative.

The DSA is an organization for MLM companies, founded and supported by MLM companies. It's kind of like the fox guarding the hen house.

Product controversies

Olympic swimmer, Jessica Hardy, was notified on July 23, 2008 that her blood tests tested positive for clenbuterol. Hardy has claimed innocence and said she has never even heard of clenbuterol, attributing her positive drug result to either a tainted nutritional supplement or sabotage. Hardy was taking AdvoCare supplements at the time and sued AdvoCare for supplying tainted supplements; AdvoCare countersued for making false claims. AdvoCare disputed the findings of the arbitration hearing, which found that the supplements were contaminated, and reduced Hardy's suspension.

Income Disclosure statement

Advocare is quick to sell you on the business aspect of signing on as a distributor. One of the biggest carrots that they dangle in front of you is financial freedom the amount of money you can make. What they are less likely to tell you are what the odds are against you in being successful. Or, the actual average income Advocare distributors make. Why? Because the failure rate of distributors is around 95%. A person has a better chance of winning money by gambling in Las Vegas.

The average annual income of a "Gold Level" distributor is $36,849; before expenses. On average, it takes a person about 2 years to get there and out of all of the distributors under Advocares umbrella, only 2% reach this level. The averages for the next level up, "Gold 3 Star", is $40,516 per year before expenses and only .44% (less than one half of one percent!) of distributors are at this level. And these numbers only represent those that have earned a check from Advocare. The link below shows the actual Advocare Income disclosure statement.

http://www.advofit.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/2010incomedisclosurestatement.pdf

99.1% of all people lost money with Advocare

http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/bizoppstaffreport/00008-57281.pdf

Consider this quote from Advocare"˜s Policy and Procedures manual regarding its compensation plan: "You may choose any method you like to achieve Advisor status. These examples point out the practical reasons you always want to track your volume if you think you"˜re close to qualifying Advisor status and if necessary, cover the $500 Personal Volume with your own purchases."

http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/bizoppstaffreport/00014-57319.pdf

AdvoCare has been named in 11 ephedra-related lawsuits

http://www.lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=4630

Advocare lost lawsuit in November 2010

http://www.courtstuff.com/5TH/EDOCS/10/0/10059018.PDF

Page# 4,5,6 - statement of facts partially reads as follows:

"The rule of following the money to understand causation is readily apparent: Mark Leitgeb, one of 2 Million Dollar Men (see infra), profited from 5 of the 6 terminations, Diane McDaniel, the wife of Danny McDaniel, the other Million Dollar Man, profited from 3, and Advocare itself profited from 3.

Danny McDaniel claimed that he saw no conflict of interest in terminating 3 of his best friends and former football heros when their earnings then flowed up to his wife, because he had been instructed ("convicted") to do so by the Lord. McDaniel 8RR 222-227"

The above quote is taken directly from court records.

http://www.5thcoa.courts.state.tx.us/EDOCS/10/0/10091719.PDF

"Jury Awards Million Dollar Verdict Against Advocare

Dallas Jury Returns $1.9 Million Verdict Against Nutritional Supplement Provider AdvoCare. A Dallas jury has awarded a $1.9 million verdict against AdvoCare International L.P., a Carrollton, Texas-based multi-level marketer and supplier of nutritional supplements and skincare products. Following a two-week trial in Dallas County's 191st District Court, jurors found that the company violated the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act by engaging in an unconscionable action by canceling agreements with distributors Bruce and Teresa Badgett of Arlington. 2009"

AdvoCare Disputes Drug Test Ruling

"AdvoCare International is disputing an arbitration panel's finding that a contaminated AdvoCare dietary supplement caused swimmer Jessica Hardy to test positive for a banned performance enhancing substance.

With its decision Monday, the panel shortened Hardy's competition ban to one year, from two. Carrollton-based AdvoCare said Tuesday in a statement that the panel's finding "is in direct conflict" with "independent" testing that showed Hardy's supplements to be free of contaminants. Also, the company said, the arbitration process was "severely flawed," in part because AdvoCare was not allowed to participate or even attend.

Howard Jacobs, Hardy's attorney, said in a statement that the arbitrators were correct in not allowing AdvoCare into the process and that the scientific evidence presented by his client at the hearing "was fully vetted through vigorous cross-examination."

According to a copy of the arbitration panel's report posted on the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency's Web site, "miniscule quantities" of clenbuterol, a banned substance, were found in one of the AdvoCare supplements, Arginine Extreme. Supplements from the same lots Hardy used were tested at the swimmer's request."

"The top court in sports ruled in Hardy's favor Friday, siding with her claim that a contaminated supplement was to blame and rejecting an appeal by the World Anti-Doping Agency to extend her suspension for another year." 5/21/2010

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2010-05-21-1056744171_x.htm

http://steroidreport.com/2008/08/03/jessica-hardy-advocare-supplements-contain-clenbuterol/#more-181

Informed-Choice

Another one of Advocares sales tactics is to emphasize the testing done by "Informed-Choice", an independent laboratory. Informed-choice tests products for the presence of banned substances so that the users of said products can be sure that there are no banned substances.

What Informed-choice does NOT test for is the efficacy of a product or the quality of its ingredients.

Even though a company and/or product has earned the "Informed-Choice" seal of approval, that doesn't mean that the company is "top notch". All American Pharmaceuticals has been give the Informed-choice stamp of approval, yet they were reprimanded by the FDA for improper manufacturing/warehousing practices.

FDA reprimand 1/14/11

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm241290.htm

FDA code enforcement

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2004/ucm146649.htm

Conclusion

Does Advocare make a "bad" product? No, they don't. What they produce is just as good as almost any other supplement on store shelves right now. There is nothing great, special or unique about what they sell when compared with other brands on the market. Brands that cost much less and without the many lies or hype needed to get you to purchase them.

Is Advocare a "good" company? You need to let your own moral compass make that decision. For me, the fact that their distributors torture the truth and outright lie (whether it's on purpose or done out of ignorance) is more than enough for me to recommend that everyone should steer clear.

When I throw in the realities of what multi level marketing is and how it thrives on the failure of those at the bottom, I don't understand how anyone would want to be a part of this monster.

There is no MLM company that has been categorically shown to be a legitimate, profitable opportunity for its participants.

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Shera

Feb 06 Chatham, Illinois

So I think it is funny how someone can come up with such negative info. I have met several of the doctors them selves in person at Advocares events. I have listened and heard what they had to say and I will trust them before I trust you. The products do work and people are making money. I have several friends that have been in advocare for a few years and make great money. One has been in for 5 years and make 10,000 a month, the other has been in advocare for 6 years and her and her husband make 25,000 a month, then the last one makes about the same but she did it in 3 years, so I know it works. I hate to see such negative talk about something that people do not understand.
When are people going to understand that unless you grow your own *** that you will never truly know what you are ingesting. So why talk bad about a SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION company. You probably eat Mc Donald's and whatever fast food restaurant out there and lets not forget the restaurants period. I bet you take your family out to dinner right? Maybe you have a soda or a glass of beer. So how is that better then Advocare? I am sure you go to a grocery store to buy your food or better yet you probably go to walmart. Did you know Tyson chicken raises there chickens in the dark and the give them stuff to grow faster. Maybe you should watch the movie Food Inc.
Stop speaking badly about a company when you live the typical American life. Now a days what you get in your diet now is horrible. Advocare is
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Facts

Jan 30 Southlake, Texas

Research of about 2 seconds shows advocare listed as Dr. Dudricks affiliation with Advocare on this website:
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=24704237&privcapId=22729045&previousCapId=22729045&previousTitle=AdvoCare+International%252C+L.P.
Also, If you cannot sell your products, you can return them for a refund, but you have to be willing to relinquish your distributorship... I don't think that would be an issue if you truely didn't like or want to have anything to do with the products though. I can only see this being an issue if you wanted to continue to use the products you had, or wanted to continue to have a discount. In either case, the fact that you don't like them would be void.
I met Dr. Goldberg personally, and have seen a lot of the Doctors at various Advocare events who do not just lend their name, they show up, speak to why they help formulate products, and why they believe in them. This article suggests they are just names on paper, and that is not the case. Do they help in other arenas? I am sure they do! They are all about nutrition, and helping others in whatever way they can contribute to that, but they don't typically lend their names to companies that will ruin their scientific and medical reputation. I don't think anyone in Advocare would suggest that it is the one and only nutritional product that is available, but if not Advocare, what? Because you will need supplements, and good ones that
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Rossi

Jan 19 Castro Valley, California

The products are great and the business opportunity is real, otherwise so many people wouldn't be signed up. People are always skeptical of something they don't understand, the best way to learn is by going to the source and trying it for yourself.
If you have any questions on the product or are interested in becoming a distributor feel free to contact me and visit my website at:
byeoldme@gmail.com
goodbyeoldme.com

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The Champ

Jan 09 Spring, Texas

I'm sorry you wasted time on this article no one is going to believe. People believe RESULTS. I'm sorry but there are FAR more results AdvoCare has produced, this is just ONE article. The author is likely a paycheck to paycheck living individual because they aren't and are rich.... You work in a legalized pyramid my friend. I've seen my football coach and a good friend of mine double their annual income in just the one year I've worked with the company. One thing we learned.... You nay Sayers.... Aren't saying much. If u aren't talkin about money what are you speaking for?

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Anonymous

Dec 31, 2014

Thank you Prince for the information. Just to highlight a part at the end. Takes a different mind frame. Awesome.
Final thought. A pyramid scheme is when the people at the bottom of the pyramid cannot pass those above them; they cannot make more money then the person at the top. With that, how is this different then your job? Can teachers make more than a prinicipal? Can a waitress make more than the manager? Can the secretary make more than the CEO? Can the bank teller make more than the president? So on and so on… Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me. Just saying.

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Prince

Dec 31, 2014

Pyramid scheme?
Understand the difference. Multi-level marketing companies follow a similar concept to a pyramid scheme, which is a reason for most of the confusion, except that two significant differences exist.
1. One difference is that members at any level of a multi-level marketing model can theoretically make income through the company’s products and/or services without signing up any new members.
2. The second difference is that members of any level in a multi-level can earn more than the people who signed them up.
3. Finally, multi-level marketing companies are legal although structured almost exactly like a pyramid scheme.
Understand why. You may be asking, “if all the confusion, why then do these companies initiate this business model?” The main reason for this type of model is to reduce the cost of advertising. Many new companies do not have this much capital in the beginning. Therefore, one solution is to reward the company’s members for “spreading the word.” Instead of the company spending hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars on advertising, the company gives the members an incentive, usually in the form of money, for signing up new members to sell/use the company’s product and/or service. Unlike a pyramid scheme, any member on any level can theoretically make money without ever having to sign-up a new member. However, once some of these proper multi-level marketing companies reach a certain population level, it becomes either
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Steph

Dec 31, 2014 Oregon City, Oregon

It's all about your mindset and if you see hope for yourself in changing. Most people don't want to step outside of their comfort and THAT is why people do not succeed. It's not because of the company. What people don't know, they don't know! You have to be willing to get out of your daily routine, grow, learn, educate yourself, do something that you're afraid of. Be the difference. When we sit around and wait for something to change, it won't. "I'll do that later", "maybe tomorrow", "I'm just so busy", "I don't have time." Those are all excuses!!!! Don't place blame unto others because YOU didn't see results, because YOU didn't get hired or didn't get the raise, because YOU didn't follow a plan or didn't place a goal for YOURSELF. That's the problem with America these days. People don't take responsibility for themselves. When people keep doing the same thing then they will keep getting the same results. What can you do differently? Once people realize they can change, there is hope, you can be better, then the sky is the limit. Be persistent, consistent, have integrity, fill yourself with positive goodness and love everyone where they are at.
Good luck to you.

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Jeanne

Sep 21, 2014 Coos Bay, Oregon

An acquaintance of mine gave me Watermelon flavored "stuff". She said I would feel great in two hours. lol I knew it was hooey...but, didn't want to be rude. I did drink the stuff...first sip tasted yummy....the rest of the sips made me gag. It tasted horrible and smelled worse! Nasty. So, she checked in with me and I told her the truth. She tried to back pedal all over the place. I knew it was a pyramid type scheme, as she was trying to promote the "business" instead of the product. It is just gross.

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Me

Aug 15, 2014

That lawsuit that you are quoting was REVERSED and the Plaintiffs' had to reimburse Advocare for their costs in the action and Plaintiffs recovered nothing. Now having said that, it is obviously just another Herbalife from the 80's and 90's. A pyramid scheme that if you get in at the front you will make money, if you get in on the back the people at the top will make money and you will not make ***. I saw one of their products and it was full of caffeine and vitamins. Who knows if it is good for you or bad for you, but don't quote lawsuits that were dismissed.

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Anonymous

Jan 03

Just a note, most of the products have about the same amount of caffine as a cup of coffee. The rest of the ingredients are vital vitamins and nutrients we all need. All ingredients and amounts of caffine VS. Coffee can be googled easily.

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Anonymous

Aug 14, 2014

Many people are saying that advocare weight loss system is just drinking shakes and taking pills and that is false. The system works because of the eating program. In this system you are eating 6-7 times a day. This is the same kind of system that a doctor or nutritionist will put you on to make you heathy. I know because i have played in the NFL for many years and have worked with many nutritionist. My wife has been on the same program so it works to the Athlete and the average person. When doing a 24 day challenge you will build the habits of eating properly and after losing weight one can continue to eat properly for a lifetime. I have never know anyone to test positive to PEDs from advocare so the case above is a first for me. Advocare does admit to paying Drew Brees because he is the national spokesman for the company. Also the fact that there are 3 companies allowed in the NFL is another false statement. It does not matter what stamp of approval is on the bottle the NFL makes it clear that you take the supplement at your own risk. I do know that I have seen Advocare supplements in the NFL locker rooms my entire career and many of the players take it even if they are not sponsored by the company, the players love the products. I myself have been on the 24 day challenge and i am not able to exercise and have lost 19 pounds in 10 days. They work

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Barb

Aug 18, 2014

Do you sell the product? Who do you purchase it from? I am trying to find an INDEPENDENT individual who uses the product.

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Anonymous

Aug 24, 2014 Arlington, Washington

I use them and have a distributor account merely for the discount.
I love the products and feel great on them.

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Anonymous

Nov 23, 2014 New Berlin, Wisconsin

www.FeelBetterWithMe.com
You can join our team

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Stephanie

Dec 31, 2014

If you are interested in the product I would love to help you! My name is Steph, please contact me. Call, text or email.
763-443-7705
tony.steph.2014@hotmail.com
www.advocare.com/140314565

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NedKe

Aug 25, 2014

Horse ***. You're an NFL player? Prove it

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DangerHonestAmerican1901

Sep 19, 2014

You do realize its not healthy to lose more than two pounds a week right? And the guy who posted this is actually right. A healthy balanced diet and a minimum amount of thirty minutes of physical activity is just about the only real way to do it without spending so much money. Its just another fad, and unfortunately several people have bought into with the promise of money and weight loss. I honestly hope that one day people will snap out of this *** fad.

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annonomous

Jan 31

Does anyone see a problem with the lawsuit(s) brought against this company? Is anyone aware of the abundance of research that shows how isolated nutrients (as i a multi vitamin) increases one's risk of disease. The founder of this company died at the age of 58. How is that for a testimonial for pete's sake? Are you distributors aware of what it means when a label says the product or processed food contains "natural and artificial" flavors? These are harmful toxic chemicals that add an addictive quality to the product. Look it up! If I drink a cup of coffee, the caffein gets me jittery. That doesn't mean I have more energy, it just means my body responds to caffein. If you're distributor for this company, show some ethics and do your research. Then resign before you or someone you sold to gets sick. Do a little research on the ingredients, what "artificial and natural flavors" are and see if you can still represent this company with a clear conscience. http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1789253

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eat healthy and exercise

Aug 13, 2014

The problem is many commenters here start throwing extreme salary numbers and we don't believe that. If that were true, then most people that I know would be thin Advocare reps by now. We'd have solved the obesity and poverty problem in one shot. I'm going with the cynical view that all the ones here claiming to make $4-10k a month are Advocare public relations control or sales reps making sure the brand isn't hurt. I'm not going to bash the brand, I'm just going to root for healthy food instead.
I'm not saying Advocare doesn't work for some people, I'm sure it does, but there's no magic pill and taking all these supplements and drinking this stuff doesn't seem right. The fact is through cleansing you will lose some water weight. Let's also take away 5 lbs. for cleaning out your digestive tract. That should motivate anyone to continue, and after the first few weeks many on this type of "lifestyle" may continue to lose more weight, other than the initial weight loss. Some people will have fantastic results, but...
What lab made this stuff? Unless you are on an astronaut mission, you should eat the produce the earth is growing for you, even if you think the apple isn't what it used to be, which it is if you grow your own or buy locally. You can buy non-GMO organic foods if it makes you feel better, just eat some whole foods. Balance it out.
Guess what, eating right and exercising still works. I can almost hear you all say "but who has the time?". Excuses. You can
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Jon

Aug 12, 2014

This is right on! Keep in mind people who think he has a vendetta all the facts he backs his statements up with. MLM companies prey on vulnerable people an it is an economic cancer that eats away at the hopes and dreams of people's financial future.
If you need more FACTS, please check out MLM-thetruth.com

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