Advocare - Advocare: What they don't want you to know!

65 of 78 Advocare Reviews
Jun 29, 2011
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What you need to know about Advocare.

There is much to be said about any company that follows the MLM model. The truth behind it all is that any company utilizing MLM techniques is, at its core, unethical. Advocare is one such company. Even a cursory internet search on the subject of MLM will provide droves of useful info on the industry including many, many lawsuits, MLM business shut down because of unlawful practices, testimony after testimony of people who have lost friends, family, savings and now live in financial ruin. Can the individual be blamed for their failures? Sure they can. But no matter how great a person is in any business endeavor, MLM is a losing proposition. So much so that it is in fact easier to strike it rich by gambling in Las Vegas than it is to earn a reasonable living via MLM.

If you do a quick Google search, your results will contain page after page of "Advocare branded" web pages. Many of these web sites are directly set up by Advocare while many more are in place through Advocare "distributors"; people trying desperately to make a few bucks by selling their products. If you know anything about internet marketing, you know that "flooding" search results is an oft used tactic in an attempt to squeeze out traffic to competitors web sites. Advocare seems to have this area covered. So, one needs to dig a little deeper.

Before I go any further into Adovcare, I want to make it clear that not everyone involved with the company is bad or evil. In fact, the exact opposite is true. This fact is one of the reasons why pyramid operations are successful; they prey on good people. They prey on people who are honest, passionate and intelligent. Why and how do these people get involved with schemes like this? Because the promise of health, wealth and good fortune, coupled with a well crafted sales pitch, is difficult for the best of us to turn away from. After all, they make it sound so easy!

Medical Advisory Board

Much of Advocares sales pitch involves their "Medical and Science Advisory Board" with the "over 200 years of experience" contained within. Below is a list of facts about the members of their board.

Dr. Kenneth W. Goldberg, MD

Dr. Goldberg lives and works in Utah and Texas. His specialty and practice is urology. Of all of the credentials and professional accomplishments he has obtained, there is no professional mention of Advocare on his personal web resume. Dr. Goldberg also lends is name and credibility to another supplement company, "Purely 4 Heath".

Dr. Goldberg has written many articles and one of which can be found on the Advocare web site. In this article, Dr. Goldberg espouses about the benefits of eating right utilizing a proper diet consisting of whole, natural and un-processed foods. Not once did the doctor recommend the use of supplements in his article:

"The ADA points out that making big improvements in our eating habits can be much simpler and less painful than most of us imagine. Try following these simple guidelines:

Pick foods with a label that says "reduced fat" or "low fat." Revised ADA guidelines suggest that you keep fat to less than 25 to 30 percent of calories, and picking such foods will help.

Try herbs such as garlic, oregano, chives, paprika, and pepper before adding salt.

Five servings of fruits and vegetables per day will take care of your need for vitamins and minerals.

Two servings per day of lean meat, fish, or poultry will take care of your need for protein. One serving is about the size of a pack of cards.

Six to eleven servings of grain takes care of carbohydrates. One slice of bread is one serving.

Eat your five servings of fruits and vegetables, choose whole wheat bread, and have a bowl of bran cereal for breakfast, and you should be on track for fiber."

http://supplementalscience.wordpress.com/2007/04/12/ready-nutrition-tips-for-men-dr-ken-goldberg

Dr. Carl I. Keen, Ph.D

http://www.rsoa.org/fas-2008KeenBio.pdf

http://nutrition.ucdavis.edu/labs/keen/

Dr. Keen Lives and works in California. Again, in the listing of his professional accomplishments and affiliations, there is no professional mention of Advocare. But Dr. Keen is listed on the board of Pistachio Health and also an Advocare competitor, Herbalife.

http://www.pistachiohealth.com/consumer/expert/keen-carl-l

http://www.herbalifenutritioninstitute.com/en/about-hni/board.aspx

William J. Kraemer, Ph.D.

http://www.education.uconn.edu/directory/details.cfm?id=44

Dr. Kraemer Lives and works in Connecticut. He owns and runs a lab producing and testing supplements, but yet again, no professional mention of Advocare. Since his lab is funded by grants, it becomes easy to see how and why he would want to get involved with companies like Advocare. By either subsidizing his labs research, or by direct payment, Dr. Kraemer is able to earn a living and keep his employees employed. Dr. Kraemer is also on the board for other supplement companies, Bommarito Performance Systems and Imagenetix. Again, these are competitors to Advocare.

http://www.bommaritoperformance.com/about/advisory_board.php

http://www.imagenetix.net/joining-the-imagenetix-scientific-and-medical-advisory-board-are-robert-b-zurier-m-d-and-william-j-kraemer-ph-d/

Stanley J. Dudrick, M.D.

http://www.surgery.uthscsa.edu/grandrounds/dudrick-bio.pdf

Dr. Dudrick lives and works in Connecticut. No professional mention of Advocare in any of his listed credentials. He also developed, markets and sells his own supplements - "myogence" which is Advocares "Catalyst". http://www.myogence.com/dudrick.html

Judith Smith, Pharm.D.

http://faculty.mdanderson.org/Judith_Smith/Default.asp?SNID=985207420

Lives and works in Texas. No professional mention of Advocare.

http://utmext01a.mdacc.tmc.edu/dept/pub/resrepv2.nsf/all+departments/B4FC1F8DA873CB29862576BE006CD4D0 - nothing about Advocare, nutrition or supplements.

Sidney Stohs, Ph.D

Dr. Stohs is the former Advocare Seinor Vice President of R&D. He is also a retired Dean. Outside of Advocare supplement sales, I could find very little info. on his professional career. What I did find is that he is also involved with "Purely 4 Heath". and is cited in reports supporting hydroxycut in 2010 with Dr. Keen.

http://www.interhealthusa.com/repository/files/HCA%20Herbalgram%20review.pdf

Muscle Tech Inc., providers of Hydroxycut, cites, "a study done showing that people taking G. Cambodia with a diet of 2,000 calories a day and 30 minutes of exercise five days a week lost an average of ten pounds in eight weeks" (Dawns 2003). Yet, another study done by the "Journal of the American Medical Association found no difference in weight loss between people taking G. cambogia and those taking a placebo" (Dawns 2003).

Hydroxycut was pulled from the market by the FDA in 2009 –

Dr. Stohs and Dr. Keen both, sang the merits of Hydroxycut and the product they once endorsed has been pulled form the market.

http://www.interhealthusa.com/repository/files/HCA%20Herbalgram%20review.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm152152.htm

Dr. Stohs is on the board for CBNS, advocating the use of certified nutritionists. - http://cbns.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Complete-CBNS-Newsletter-July-12-2400-dpi.pdf

There is a reason why we have "Certified Nutritionists". It's for the same reasons why we trust our dentists, doctors, lawyers, plumbers etc. to help us; because there are many areas where expert advice is needed and warranted. Nutrition is one of those areas. You wouldn't trust your mechanic to perform a root canal, so why trust a sales person for nutritional advice?

Robert Hackman, Ph.D

http://nutrition.ucdavis.edu/faculty/hackman/

Dr. Hackman lives and works in California. He has been with Advocare since its inception and partnered with Rangis (the founder of Advocare). He can be seen here stressing the benefit of healthy eating with whole, fresh foods.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1317257/pdf/jathtrain00035-0072.pdf

What does all of this say about Advocares Medical Advisory Board? It shows that many of these doctors do not specialize in formulating dietary supplements. Those that do work directly in creating nutritional products do so with a very personal financial bias. If anything, they espouse the benefits of eating healthy, whole foods. It shows that they are not "on staff" and, for the most part, live in other states pursuing other endeavors.

Their roll in Advocare is small, monetarily motivated, and while the research they do may be a foundation for some of Advocares products, they have little to do with their formulation. If any of these individuals fully believe in Advocare, then they would publish it along with all of the other boards and projects they list.

One of the tactics almost every MLM utilizes is "in home" marketing; parties, mixers, presentations etc.

I'll dive right in here with some notes from an Advocare "mixer" I attended. Since the presentations given in these mixers are done by many different people across the country, the information I received may be different from what you have heard.

Friday Night Mixer Notes

During the presentation I was surprised by how much they favored supplementation over a proper, healthy diet with one of the most disturbing bits of info. being the use of Advocare muscle gainer mixed into a baby's formula.

None of the Advocare products are made for children under 4 years old. Giving ANY supplement to children under 12 should only be done when directed by a physician. A child's body is different than an adults and many of the ingredients in food supplements are untested. We have no idea what they might to do our children. I would never gamble with my child's health like that.

A few years ago, Advocare's product "KickStart Spark" was targeted to children age 4-11. It contained 60 mg of caffeine and came under severe scrutiny from pediatricians for the high dosage of this stimulant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/25/sports/othersports/25drink.html?pagewanted=all

By giving food supplements to children we are teaching them dangerously poor eating habits; taking pills and powders over "real" food.

Caffeine was even touted as an alternative to prescription drugs for children with ADD/ADHD. While there is some evidence that this can work, it should be only administered as directed by a physician. Not by companies like Advocare that exist to sell products. There are far too many dangers in medicating our children with anything not directly prescribed by the child's personal physician.

"No high school athlete or parent should purchase supplements like protein, creatine or energy drinks without speaking to a doctor or nutritionist. Vitamin supplements are not needed for the vast majority of the U.S. population and specific deficiencies are best diagnosed and treated by a doctor". http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/before-you-purchase-supplements-you-need-to-educate-yourself-on-the-possible-dangers-

Catalyst - In the meeting, it was clearly stated that "Catalyst strips the body of fat." The example used was a wrestling team in Texas. Fact: there is no known product/substance known to man that has the ability to safely perform the function of removing fat from the human body. If there was, it'd be akin to finding the "fountain of youth".

The only active ingredients in Catalyst are taurine and betaine but neither of them are in large enough doses to really have any effect. Betain is used primarily to help digestion by increasing hydrochloric acid. Taurine studies using 2 -3 thousand mg per kilogram of body weight MAY help promote fat loss in the obese.

Herbal Detox – This was pushed as the "first step" and was pushed fairly hard using some pretty big claims. The fact is that studies done to show the effectiveness of detox diets have never shown anything to support the claims made by the proponents. Normally functioning kidneys and liver readily remove toxins from the body. Some detox diets can even be dangerous.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/detox-diets/AN01334

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2643/does-fasting-rid-the-body-of-toxins

In fact, recent studies show that fasting (which goes along with detox) is counterproductive to weight loss.

http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2011/06/new-study-why-beginning-your-diet-with-a-fast-or-%E2%80%9Ccleansing-day%E2%80%9D-is-a-bad-idea/

Bottom line is that fasting or "cleansing" is something you should certainly avoid.

Probiotics - While not bad, aren't necessarily needed to be supplemented. A proper diet will give you all that you need.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/probiotics/AN00389

NFL,NHL, MLB etc - Outrageous claims were made about Advocare being the only supplements allowed in pro locker rooms. All supplements used by pro athletes are screened and cleared by NSF International. Only three companies are allowed and Advocare is not one of them.

Texans "clean sweep" http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/10/texans-institute-clean-sweep-on-locker-room-supplements/1

http://www.nsf.org/index.asp

The only supplement company approved for use in major league sports is EAS.

Certified for Sport - EAS and Redbull have been tested, accepted and listed. Advocare is not.

http://www.nsfsport.com/listings/certified_products.asp

The danger of energy drinks - http://www.nsf.org/business/athletic_banned_substances/energy_drinks.pdf

"I don't see how young people in any way can benefit from these kinds of drinks," says Bruce Goldberger, a professor at the University of Florida College of Medicine who has studied energy drinks for several years. "The risks are much greater than any benefit that can be derived from their use."

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/08/17/growth-of-energy-drinks-speeds-debate-on-their-dangers/

Apples have lost 50% of their nutrition - This is a grossly exaggerated claim. The study, done in the U.K., was completed 20 years ago, using apples grown under very different conditions than found here in the U.S. No peer reviewed studies, or testing since, has been done/found. Nor have studies been done documenting changes in farming and the nutritional content of apples since. Furthermore, the study focused on mineral depletion and not vitamin/nutritional content. The presenter at the mixer I attended used the "nutritional deficiencies" of our foods quite often so that the benefits of using Advocare products could be made.

http://www.californiaearthminerals.com/media/mineral-depletion-study.pdf

The use of Doctors/Nutritionist - The only people qualified to determine an individuals nutritional needs/deficiencies are certified/degreed professionals who can only make recommendations/diagnosis after invasive testing ie; blood and urine testing.

Published Studies - There are no published studies on the effectiveness AdvoCare products. Even though the company was established in 1993, no studies have been done to testify to its effectiveness in reducing weight loss or improving athletic performance. They rely completely on personal testimony which is as reliable as, "My neighbors' uncles' cousin saw a UFO, so UFO's MUST be real!"

"THE USE OF NUTRITIONAL OR DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS IS COMPLETELY AT THE ATHLETE'S OWN RISK. EVEN IF THE SUPPLEMENTS ARE "APPROVED" OR "VERIFIED".

"Bottom Line: USADA warns against taking any dietary or nutritional supplements. Athletes who take dietary or nutritional supplements, even if "approved" or "verified," do so at their own risk."

http://www.texasarchery.org/Documents/USADA/DietarySupplements.pdf

Pre-digested protein – An aspect of what makes Advocare products "the best" was pointed out in regards to the proteins they used. Pre-digested, or hydrolyzed, is often used with lesser quality protein sources, such as soy. Protein is sensitive to heat and acid which is how a lot of companies "Hydrolize" their products. The preferred method is to use enzymes. But again, if a high quality protein is used, such as whey, pre-digestion in unnecessary. The fact that Advocare claims to be the "best", but then points out that their products are hydrolyzed is incredibly contradictory. This is just another example of the sales tactics they employ to win people over.

Endorsements

Professional and celebrity endorsements are used quite heavily as a way to gain trust. I have heard many times that these sponsors are not paid and support Advocare because of the great products they make. While I did not dig into the endorsement side of Advocare, I did stumble upon the contradiction of the claim, "unpaid endorsers" with one of their most notable endorser, Drew Brees.

While Advocare may not pay Drew Brees directly, they supply him and his family with all of the product they want. Advocare is also a contributor to the "Drew Brees Foundation. The biggest contradiction to the "unpaid endorser" claim can be found on Drew Brees personal website. Here he lists all of the financial sponsors who support him. Advocare is on that list.

Drew Brees

http://www.advocare.com/company/spokesperson.aspx

"AdvoCare supports the Drew Brees Foundation, started by Drew and his wife Brittany and participated in the "The Amazing Race" event in New Orleans presented by the foundation."

Drew Brees paid to endorse Advocare, among others; http://www.drewbrees.com/disclaimer http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2010/12/23/drew-brees-toes-ftcs-line-on-twitter-endorsements/

About the company itself

AdvoCare International, L.P. is a nutrition, weight-loss and skin-care company founded by Charles Ragus. Ragus, joining Herbalife in 1983, become one of the company's top distributors. In 1989, he founded a company called Omnitron. Wade v Omnitrition became a landmark case in the legalities of running a MLN. This lawsuit shut down Omnitrition. Ragus came back in 1993 and created AdvoCare International.

Advocare employs around 247 people in the United States and claimed net sales of fewer than 100 million in 2009. Its corporate headquarters are in Carrollton, TX.

The company distributes its products in the United States through a network of approximately 50,000 independent distributors, some of whom earn profit on product sales and additional commission from a multi-level marketing (MLM) compensation structure. The company slogan is, "We Build Champions."

Advocare had 5 presidents/managers from 2001 - 2007

Charles Ragus died on June 1, 2001 at the age 58.

Todd Cash - fired February 2005

Lance Wimmer fired after 4 months

Bob Ulrich 2005 - May 2007

In May 2007, Richard H. Wright joined AdvoCare as President and CEO.

AdvoCare is an active member of the Direct Selling Association (DSA). The company was a DSA Award recipient in 2002 for the DebtBuster® System in 2008 for the AdvoBus program, and was a participant in the 2010 DSA Code of Ethics Communication Initiative.

The DSA is an organization for MLM companies, founded and supported by MLM companies. It's kind of like the fox guarding the hen house.

Product controversies

Olympic swimmer, Jessica Hardy, was notified on July 23, 2008 that her blood tests tested positive for clenbuterol. Hardy has claimed innocence and said she has never even heard of clenbuterol, attributing her positive drug result to either a tainted nutritional supplement or sabotage. Hardy was taking AdvoCare supplements at the time and sued AdvoCare for supplying tainted supplements; AdvoCare countersued for making false claims. AdvoCare disputed the findings of the arbitration hearing, which found that the supplements were contaminated, and reduced Hardy's suspension.

Income Disclosure statement

Advocare is quick to sell you on the business aspect of signing on as a distributor. One of the biggest carrots that they dangle in front of you is financial freedom the amount of money you can make. What they are less likely to tell you are what the odds are against you in being successful. Or, the actual average income Advocare distributors make. Why? Because the failure rate of distributors is around 95%. A person has a better chance of winning money by gambling in Las Vegas.

The average annual income of a "Gold Level" distributor is $36,849; before expenses. On average, it takes a person about 2 years to get there and out of all of the distributors under Advocares umbrella, only 2% reach this level. The averages for the next level up, "Gold 3 Star", is $40,516 per year before expenses and only .44% (less than one half of one percent!) of distributors are at this level. And these numbers only represent those that have earned a check from Advocare. The link below shows the actual Advocare Income disclosure statement.

http://www.advofit.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/2010incomedisclosurestatement.pdf

99.1% of all people lost money with Advocare

http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/bizoppstaffreport/00008-57281.pdf

Consider this quote from Advocare"˜s Policy and Procedures manual regarding its compensation plan: "You may choose any method you like to achieve Advisor status. These examples point out the practical reasons you always want to track your volume if you think you"˜re close to qualifying Advisor status and if necessary, cover the $500 Personal Volume with your own purchases."

http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/bizoppstaffreport/00014-57319.pdf

AdvoCare has been named in 11 ephedra-related lawsuits

http://www.lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=4630

Advocare lost lawsuit in November 2010

http://www.courtstuff.com/5TH/EDOCS/10/0/10059018.PDF

Page# 4,5,6 - statement of facts partially reads as follows:

"The rule of following the money to understand causation is readily apparent: Mark Leitgeb, one of 2 Million Dollar Men (see infra), profited from 5 of the 6 terminations, Diane McDaniel, the wife of Danny McDaniel, the other Million Dollar Man, profited from 3, and Advocare itself profited from 3.

Danny McDaniel claimed that he saw no conflict of interest in terminating 3 of his best friends and former football heros when their earnings then flowed up to his wife, because he had been instructed ("convicted") to do so by the Lord. McDaniel 8RR 222-227"

The above quote is taken directly from court records.

http://www.5thcoa.courts.state.tx.us/EDOCS/10/0/10091719.PDF

"Jury Awards Million Dollar Verdict Against Advocare

Dallas Jury Returns $1.9 Million Verdict Against Nutritional Supplement Provider AdvoCare. A Dallas jury has awarded a $1.9 million verdict against AdvoCare International L.P., a Carrollton, Texas-based multi-level marketer and supplier of nutritional supplements and skincare products. Following a two-week trial in Dallas County's 191st District Court, jurors found that the company violated the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act by engaging in an unconscionable action by canceling agreements with distributors Bruce and Teresa Badgett of Arlington. 2009"

AdvoCare Disputes Drug Test Ruling

"AdvoCare International is disputing an arbitration panel's finding that a contaminated AdvoCare dietary supplement caused swimmer Jessica Hardy to test positive for a banned performance enhancing substance.

With its decision Monday, the panel shortened Hardy's competition ban to one year, from two. Carrollton-based AdvoCare said Tuesday in a statement that the panel's finding "is in direct conflict" with "independent" testing that showed Hardy's supplements to be free of contaminants. Also, the company said, the arbitration process was "severely flawed," in part because AdvoCare was not allowed to participate or even attend.

Howard Jacobs, Hardy's attorney, said in a statement that the arbitrators were correct in not allowing AdvoCare into the process and that the scientific evidence presented by his client at the hearing "was fully vetted through vigorous cross-examination."

According to a copy of the arbitration panel's report posted on the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency's Web site, "miniscule quantities" of clenbuterol, a banned substance, were found in one of the AdvoCare supplements, Arginine Extreme. Supplements from the same lots Hardy used were tested at the swimmer's request."

"The top court in sports ruled in Hardy's favor Friday, siding with her claim that a contaminated supplement was to blame and rejecting an appeal by the World Anti-Doping Agency to extend her suspension for another year." 5/21/2010

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2010-05-21-1056744171_x.htm

http://steroidreport.com/2008/08/03/jessica-hardy-advocare-supplements-contain-clenbuterol/#more-181

Informed-Choice

Another one of Advocares sales tactics is to emphasize the testing done by "Informed-Choice", an independent laboratory. Informed-choice tests products for the presence of banned substances so that the users of said products can be sure that there are no banned substances.

What Informed-choice does NOT test for is the efficacy of a product or the quality of its ingredients.

Even though a company and/or product has earned the "Informed-Choice" seal of approval, that doesn't mean that the company is "top notch". All American Pharmaceuticals has been give the Informed-choice stamp of approval, yet they were reprimanded by the FDA for improper manufacturing/warehousing practices.

FDA reprimand 1/14/11

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm241290.htm

FDA code enforcement

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2004/ucm146649.htm

Conclusion

Does Advocare make a "bad" product? No, they don't. What they produce is just as good as almost any other supplement on store shelves right now. There is nothing great, special or unique about what they sell when compared with other brands on the market. Brands that cost much less and without the many lies or hype needed to get you to purchase them.

Is Advocare a "good" company? You need to let your own moral compass make that decision. For me, the fact that their distributors torture the truth and outright lie (whether it's on purpose or done out of ignorance) is more than enough for me to recommend that everyone should steer clear.

When I throw in the realities of what multi level marketing is and how it thrives on the failure of those at the bottom, I don't understand how anyone would want to be a part of this monster.

There is no MLM company that has been categorically shown to be a legitimate, profitable opportunity for its participants.

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Me

Aug 15

That lawsuit that you are quoting was REVERSED and the Plaintiffs' had to reimburse Advocare for their costs in the action and Plaintiffs recovered nothing. Now having said that, it is obviously just another Herbalife from the 80's and 90's. A pyramid scheme that if you get in at the front you will make money, if you get in on the back the people at the top will make money and you will not make ***. I saw one of their products and it was full of caffeine and vitamins. Who knows if it is good for you or bad for you, but don't quote lawsuits that were dismissed.

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Anonymous

Aug 14

Many people are saying that advocare weight loss system is just drinking shakes and taking pills and that is false. The system works because of the eating program. In this system you are eating 6-7 times a day. This is the same kind of system that a doctor or nutritionist will put you on to make you heathy. I know because i have played in the NFL for many years and have worked with many nutritionist. My wife has been on the same program so it works to the Athlete and the average person. When doing a 24 day challenge you will build the habits of eating properly and after losing weight one can continue to eat properly for a lifetime. I have never know anyone to test positive to PEDs from advocare so the case above is a first for me. Advocare does admit to paying Drew Brees because he is the national spokesman for the company. Also the fact that there are 3 companies allowed in the NFL is another false statement. It does not matter what stamp of approval is on the bottle the NFL makes it clear that you take the supplement at your own risk. I do know that I have seen Advocare supplements in the NFL locker rooms my entire career and many of the players take it even if they are not sponsored by the company, the players love the products. I myself have been on the 24 day challenge and i am not able to exercise and have lost 19 pounds in 10 days. They work

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Barb

2 days ago

Do you sell the product? Who do you purchase it from? I am trying to find an INDEPENDENT individual who uses the product.

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eat healthy and exercise

Aug 13

The problem is many commenters here start throwing extreme salary numbers and we don't believe that. If that were true, then most people that I know would be thin Advocare reps by now. We'd have solved the obesity and poverty problem in one shot. I'm going with the cynical view that all the ones here claiming to make $4-10k a month are Advocare public relations control or sales reps making sure the brand isn't hurt. I'm not going to bash the brand, I'm just going to root for healthy food instead.
I'm not saying Advocare doesn't work for some people, I'm sure it does, but there's no magic pill and taking all these supplements and drinking this stuff doesn't seem right. The fact is through cleansing you will lose some water weight. Let's also take away 5 lbs. for cleaning out your digestive tract. That should motivate anyone to continue, and after the first few weeks many on this type of "lifestyle" may continue to lose more weight, other than the initial weight loss. Some people will have fantastic results, but...
What lab made this stuff? Unless you are on an astronaut mission, you should eat the produce the earth is growing for you, even if you think the apple isn't what it used to be, which it is if you grow your own or buy locally. You can buy non-GMO organic foods if it makes you feel better, just eat some whole foods. Balance it out.
Guess what, eating right and exercising still works. I can almost hear you all say "but who has the time?". Excuses. You can
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Jon

Aug 12

This is right on! Keep in mind people who think he has a vendetta all the facts he backs his statements up with. MLM companies prey on vulnerable people an it is an economic cancer that eats away at the hopes and dreams of people's financial future.
If you need more FACTS, please check out MLM-thetruth.com

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HappywithAdvocare

Aug 10 El Paso, Texas

Whoever wrote this has an obvious vendetta because he or she was probably one of those who failed at the opportunity side of Advocare. The business is not for everyone. I have had amazing results with the products and have earned a great part time income with Advocare. My sponsors never promised me millions, they simply promised me help with getting started and they delivered. All mlm's depend on quality of service/products and quality leadership. I found both with Advocare.

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Aimee

Aug 08 Madera, California

This is hilarious. I'm ad the national success school and these doctors are on the AdvoCare stage...is this another satire? It's so funny!!!

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Meghan

Aug 05

I am neither a user, nor distributor for Advocare. However, my sister in law is. She does a few sales, but didn't sign up to really make money. She signed up to help improve her health. She went from almost bedridden because of medical issues to active. She has her first full time job in 13 years. She is off ALL her medications. Better yet, she went from a size 16 to a size 4 in less than a year. I've never seen her happier or healthier.
I have participated in other MLM companies and do not appreciate you calling them scams. There are some that are not profitable and rely on personal purchases by associates. However, I have achieved 6 figure incomes using 2 MLM companies that only allow 1 purchase by associates. I have changed the lives of friends and family, both with a product I believe in and a business opportunity. I never pushed any or lost friends from it. I am 35, have 5 children and MS. Yet, I still make an income that is higher than what I could make when I was healthy and had a standard 40 hour a week job. An MLM company has kept me from filing for social security disability and will send all my children to college.
It's a business. Statistically, 95% of small businesses fail within the first 5 years. Some people never put in the time or effort to get their MLM business off the ground. Some choose the wrong company, where profits just aren't possible. Are there bad companies out there? Sure. But don't lump them all into the category of a scam or dare say that
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AdvoLover

Jul 08

I was turned on to Advocare by a friend who was a distributor after a 25+lbs weight gain. I completed the challenge & lost a total of 27lbs. After a couple months of using Slam, Spark, Omegas & Cataylst daily (plus a few other products here & there ex. SleepWorks) I signed up to save myself the 20%. I am approaching 2yrs with the company next month, have lost a total of 34lbs, I'm at stay at home foster mother to a special needs child & two biological children, and I'm averaging $7,500/month at the Ruby level....BOOM!! Want me to link my before & after pics? Or perhaps I'll really throw some salt in your obvious fresh wound & link my bank account balances! Naturally there is going to be lovers & haters to every company, every product, and everything in life, and of course not everyone will be as successful, but Advocare is absolutely amazing! And at the risk of losing $29....there's not much you have to lose!

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Guil

Jun 23 Troutdale, Oregon

$79 investement, you build a blog, you spread the word on social medias. That's it.
If you start selling advocare to make extra money on top of your daytime job, there is no risk at all. If it does not work you can atop anytime.
Easy

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Trish

Jun 19

I was recently approached by a friend asking if I would like to try advocare. At first I was kinda excited and interested in the product. I happened upon this article by a google search and have spent a good deal of time reading the post for and against this product. I can see the glamour in just being able to take some pills or drinks and lose weight. However, on the other hand I wonder if just eating right would bring about the same results. Can anyone for or against advocare tell me if they have tried the advocare 24 day challenge and then try just eating right? Were the results comparable?

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Sarah

Jul 06

I did the 24 day challenge about 3 years ago and lost 18 pounds on it and continued on the products to lose 30 pounds total. I've stayed on these products for so long because they are safe and dependable. The challenge is not a "fad diet" or "lose weight fast" type of program. It is a nutritional program that jump starts your body and metabolism and helps you in beginning a new healthy lifestyle. No strings attached with this company or the products. I've been able to save enough money for myself to leave a job I hated just by helping people reach their own financial and fitness goals. There's truly no better feeling.

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Ben

Jul 12

In any company it seems you will get the "naysayers". They are usually the ones who don't want to work to earn something or just don't like the fact that a company is successful. I spent 15 years in the Army as Infantry and 3 of those years I was training soldiers for combat operations in Afghanistan. We had some soldiers who were grossly overweight. I would try to help them lose weight by proper nutrition through controlling food intake and increasing exercise. It was highly unsuccessful with most soldiers. When I would recommend they use Advocare they became highly successful at reducing weight drastically while increasing energy, muscle recovery, increasing their scores on the Army Physical Fitness Test, and I personally know several individuals who make $5,000 per month to $10,000+ per month helping others with these products. The important thing to remember is that this is a lifestyle change and not a "diet". You eat healthy, exercise within your ability, and utilize their products to help your body. A great quote I once heard is "Exercise shapes your body ... nutrition is what allows you to see it".

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Mrs. Newbody

Jul 13

I can tell you I have done both... I even did ww with no supplements or add ons. I saved my points for what I wanted. Not a great choice. However I had a great coach with AdvoCare.. real person. I learned to eat right just like in the past.. however I truly belive the nutritional deficient foods we eat do us harm after adding to healthly eating and the supps. I have found amazing health eliminating the need for blood pressure meds. Taken off by doctors. In addition ive gone from a screaming size 22 in Nov. 2013 to a size comfortable size 14 ..down 46 total pounds. I even quit taking products to see if id gain the weight back and guess what... no change.my metabolism is banging on all cylinders.. thanks AdvoCare Im a new person.... I love AdvoCare... the company the support and yes $ as a biz is real too.

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CantScamMe4Money

Jun 07

Thank you! I tried Spark, due to some "nagging" by a distributor. Then of course, I felt obligated to go to a mixer. Only 1 other person, other than my distributor and her "higher up recruiter" person. Not one time in the entire evening was eating clean or their philosophy on food mentioned. So towards the end, I mentioned that along with Spark I started eating clean and had lost a few pounds (obviously diet related). When the other attendee asked the Advocare distributors about what the diet plan entailed, they quickly said "you just eat good foods most of the time, but you can still cheat". They then changed the subject and began sampling Advocare's meal replacement bars. I was completely turned off that this entire presentation was touted as making them healthier, yet there was no mention of real food! And this article was dead on with the presentation I got. "200 years of experience...Drew Brees...I am now able to stay home with my kids" blah blah blah.

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champion

Jul 06

You can definitely eat real food on this program. It is actually suggested. The thing that sparked my interest (no pun intended) was that the Meal Replacement Shakes are a PERFECT 1:1 carb to protein ration which makes it THE PERFECT breakfast. 24g of Protein to kick start your metabolism first thing in the morning. Even if you do eat what seems to be the perfect breakfast, it is hard to say that it would be perfect. Anyway, the challenge actually gives you tons of recipes and helpful tips on eating. It's a shame you had a terrible experience with the mixer, but I would definitely say to try again.

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Mrs. M

Jun 02

There is some legitimate information here that should cause one to ask more questions, however, there is equally as much misinformation in this paper as well. You must make sure all of your sources that you cite are credible. The court case you referred to is referred to incorrectly, wrong name and determinations. Which honestly could set you up for slander as you are providing incorrect information regarding legal action against another company. Be careful. I say to each his/her own. In the end, people should be able to choose for themselves and decide what course they want to take. To use the products, to sell them, whatever. If it works for them and they are happy LET THEM BE!! If it doesn't work then let THEM decide how they want to handle it and what their next step is. Who are YOU to judge? I'm sure there are plenty of questionable thing you do on a daily basis that you would prefer others kept their nose out of.

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mellyamused

May 21

Great Information! Is it not ok for this person to give their opinion and actually some facts based off of legit information that he backed with websites like the Federal Trade or actual court hearings ? I do not get angry at my many friends that talk about Advocare all day everyday on social media sites, but you better believe that if I said how I really felt I would get bashed for doing so. It is great that some have more healthy lives and financial freedom for "Now". I have seen so may of these type products come and go and will really hate how disappointed my friends are when this to shall pass. :grin :cry

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Anonymous

May 19

I am so thankful for someone standing up for this type of scam. I have a family member who has had something totally shocking happen to them on behalf of adovcare that we are now raising our eyebrows too and hope that this whole scam will finally be brought to the light. This type of MLM should be eliminated. Period.......

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YourUneducated

May 17

How long were you in an MLM before you quit because you didn't rich quick? Unless you own your own company your in a pyramid scheme. Literally 1000s of families are now healthier, moms get to stay home with their kids, and Dads get to stay home with their families instead of putting in time at a JOB. Your research is only done because you thought you could get rich quick and it didn't happen so now everything about a Direct Selling company is all bad and a pyramid. You seem very uneducated to me!

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